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Feel free to post pics and stories about any hikes you’ve been on recently.  We here at The Earth Diver are always looking for new adventures…..


  1. Dog Mountain, about 50 miles east of Vancouver on Hwy. 14. Be sure to bring plenty of water, as there are no creeks on the trail. And with an elevation gain of nearly 3,000 feet in less than three miles of trail, it's a steep sum bitch. But the views are worth it.

    Looking west from the first view point. Hello, people in Portland and Vancouver…..
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    …. and south. Hello, Oregon…..
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    …. and finally, east. Hello people east of Dog Mountain….
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  2. After the first view point, the trail breaks out of thick forest, and the grade eases greatly…….
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  3. From the summit. Just to the right of the trees, above the ridge line, is the peak of Mt. Hood…
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    …. then turn around, walk a few paces, look through the trees, and wa-la…. it's Mt. Adams…
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    …. then walk a bit west, face north, and there's Mt. St. Helens. Well it would be there, except the clouds are in the way. It's there, trust me….
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    • looks amazing. jealous!

      • Well, come on up. Maybe next summer? Think about it anyway, I'm sure I could find space to put you and your family up for a few days.

        In the meantime, you thinking about the next topic for Coggy's Corner?

        • Those are great shots. It's nice when you get a panoramic view of our cascade range. There's an observatory on top of Oregon's Larch Mt. that provides a view of five or six, maybe more.

          You asked about your boots and your poor toe… I don't hike in boots, unless I'm in snake country. I wear a really light weight pair of Champions, that I've had for years. Feather light. I like the precision in my step they provide, and not lugging unneeded weight around. Hiking the Northwest really doesn't require boots. imo. So Lip's advice: Go shopping. Lightweight nylon, that dries quickly but has a good sole.

          • If you had to haul over 200 pounds around you might change your mind about boots. The military, dirt biking, street biking, I've just about always worn boots. Yeah, I'll admit it, I'm the dork who wears boots with shorts. It's just that I've never done so much steep, downhill walking. At least as far as I remember. Seriously, if I tried hiking anything more difficult than Lake Sacajawea in sneakers, or anything with less support than a hiking boot, my feet and my ankles would be shot in no time. So, thank you anyway, but I think I'll try to tape them up and see how that works.

            And to answer your question on the other thread, no, they didn't give us a ride. They loaded the boats up on trailers, and went to their ceremony. Guess they thought we'd take ourselves for a ride if they left them. :)

            • Hahaha! What are you going to tape, the toes or the boots? Nope, gonna sas back on this one and disagree. I don't care if you've walked on the moon in boots, you can't come close to 8-12 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, for 35 years or more, in high heels. Ya just can't, big guy. Why would you need to support your ankles? They're only there to connect your feet to your shins. They have natural strength, they don't need support. Unless you've let them become dependent on high top boots. Are you wearing steel toed? LOL. Seriously though, I understand they may keep you from twisting your ankle. But being light on your feet with precision placement, will too. :P

              • Ok, you got me with the high heels. I don't know how you ladies wear 'em, but I'm glad you do. ;)

                I'm gonna try to tape the toes, and see if the forces can be spread out over the entire front of my foot, instead of having the tip of the big toe take all the shock. And I'm only light on my feet on the dance floor. Even yesterday I almost went down, and might have twisted an ankle if not for wearing boots. Parts of that trail are obscured by wild berry bushes, and I stepped on an unseen rock. The good news is that my knees feel as good as ever, for the most part.

                EDIT: This isn't a good pic, some sun reflection or something, but it gives you an idea about the berry bushes. There were several places where you couldn't even see the trail at all.

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                • You need a bush whacker. Haha. I don't know. I guess the benefit outweighs the risk, for me. To me, hiking is dancing. Always knowing at least three steps out where your footfalls will be. Graceful. An especially handy skill for rock hopping across rivers. LOL. You're funny. Maybe you are Sasquatch. ;)

                  • I've got a bush whacker. It just doesn't help with those kind of bushes. ;)

                    Yeah, I try to plan a few steps ahead, but sometimes my mind wanders, especially when hiking. That's another reason I like to jog downhill, it keeps me focused, and it's easier than fighting gravity all the way down. And I get a kick out of reverse turning on switchbacks. It might look strange, but it's the best way to take a sharp corner at speed. Seriously.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 24, 2012 at 22:07
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                      Oh Wow. That's a beautiful picture. So serene. Yeah, can't really whack through those bushes. Might hurt oncoming traffic. lol.

                      You have me beat on jogging down trails. Too afraid my speed will surpass my stopping power, and over the edge I'll go. Maybe through the meadows.

                    • Oh, I don't jog on the edge of a cliff, or anything, and if you plan ahead, you turn into the hill to help slow yourself down. Use gravity instead of fighting it. That's how it works on switchbacks. If you have a switchback to the left, instead of planting your right foot and turning left, fighting gravity all the way, you overshoot the turn just a bit, plant your left foot, and turn sharply to the right. Your first step or two will be slightly uphill, and you'll slow down naturally, instead of fighting it. It works, and believe it or not, with a little practice it's easier to control than a regular turn.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 24, 2012 at 22:28
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                      My boobs are too big to challenge gravity. LOL. I'm just teasing you. That's actually great technique and I'm curious to try it.

                      Okay, I better let you go. I'll talk to you soon. Night.

                    • :)
                      Ok, G'Night and Sweet Dreams.

                    • Good Morning. Since the railroad went right over where we're digging, we've been picking up lots and lots of coal. The more we dig, the more coal we find. This must be my summer theme song…..

                      Have a Nice Day. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 25, 2012 at 09:26
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                      When do you leave for Astoria?

                      Have a super day! :)

                    • Well hello there. Hope your day is going well. Yeah, I had a pretty good day. We found a few interesting tidbits. Well, interesting to some, I guess. We leave next Tuesday morning. I was hoping they'd let me take my own car, but there won't be any place to park it where we're staying, so they'll pick me up here in Longview. We can't transport alcohol in state vehicles, but a couple of the TAs will be bringing their cars, and they drink. Uh huh. :)

                      I figure you'll be leaving about the time I get back, so be sure to say 'goodbye' Monday night, we probably won't be able to talk too much till late August. I plan to head to California on the sixth, then up north and finally to the east side to see some friends. School starts the 20th, so I'll be back before then. I'm signed up for a full load, but all classes are Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, so that gives me plenty of time to work, provided I can find a decent job.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 25, 2012 at 18:24
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                      Today is much better than yesterday, which was really sad when I had to terminate a long time employee and friend. =( I had no choice, and I hope she'll be okay.

                      I won't forget to say goodbye. I'm leaving on the fifth and coming back sometime mid August. Not sure of the exact day, yet. I shit canned the Grand Canyon trip. It's not that I don't want to see it, it's just not my kind of place. Researching it, it just wasn't going to work. Camping is really restricted. And what they do have has to be reserved months out. I like to keep moving. The only viable option was to apply for a back woods permit, and hope it was approved. So many aren't. And then head out to the dessert in AZ. Wasn't feeling really comfortable about that. Not trying to weight the trailer down with an arsenal, if you know what I mean. So I decided on Yellowstone. I think there's more things there to attract me. I did reserve a spot for three nights. The plan is to bike and truck to the attractions. Do a few hikes and high tail it to the remote Montana mountains, which is more my style. It makes my family crazy when I don't have an itinerary, and may or may not be in any given state on any given day, but it is what it is.

                      It's been a busy summer for both of us, it seems. What happened to long, lazy, summer days?

                    • Yeah, letting people go was the hardest thing about managing. Even people I didn't know very well. Hard to imagine how hard it would be to pink slip a friend. :(

                      Sounds like you made a good choice. I wouldn't mind seeing the Grand Canyon, but it's relatively low on my list. Montana is good, and it's big. I-90 can be long, straight, and boring in places, so make sure your Thermos is full when you take off. I dozed off riding my bike back from Sturgis one morning on one of those straight, boring sections in Montana. If my friend with straight pipes on his bike hadn't woke me up by roaring up beside me as I drifted onto the shoulder, it would have been bad news. And that wouldn't have been boring at all. Sometimes, boring is good.

                      Those long, lazy summer days are still there, they're just fewer and farther between. I plan on having at least one or two of them in California, kicking back on a bank of the Feather River off of Hwy. 70.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 25, 2012 at 19:26
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                      That sounds so good right now.. kicking back on a river bank. Awww…

                      Okay, time to wrap this workday up. Make a few stops on the way home. If I don't talk to you tonight, I will tomorrow.

                      Have a great night.

                    • No you won't. Unless you want to get up at 6 AM or so. Tomorrow is BA night. :)

                      Ok, if I don't hear from you later tonight, you have a Good Night and I'll talk to you on Friday.

                      EDIT: God, I love youtube. Here's a blast from the past ……

                    • Good Morning. Home alive. I may have to rethink my stance on some issues. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 27, 2012 at 10:22
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                      Good Morning. Yeah? Such as?

                    • Good Evening. Hey, I found a horseshoe today. Coolest thing I've found yet. Hope we find some good stuff in Astoria.

                      Such as my stubbornness in not playing the game with women whom I know there's no chance of anything meaningful developing. Just because it's always been bad news in the past doesn't mean in has to stay that way. Plus, maybe it's time to quit mocking Hamadryas baboon syndrome and start putting it to work. After all, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 27, 2012 at 20:20
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                      That is cool. How old do you think it is?

                      How do you know there's no chance of anything meaningful, until you try? You should give a few a test drive. lol.

                    • Well, it's not 'wild west' old, they rarely shoed their horses because the ground was so soft, so it was probably from the US Army period, when the Army still used horses, so late 19th to early 20th century was what most people figured.

                      That's true in some instances, but with the 20 somethings? I think more of a 'let me show you what guys your age have yet to master' night, or even a few weeks, is more in order there. The conversation would have its limits. Like test driving a hot, new Ferrari, fun while it lasts, but I'm not going to purchase it.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 27, 2012 at 21:35
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                      Yeah, I can definitely understand what you mean. Maybe you should add another hang out to your schedule. Maybe one with a little more mature crowd.

                    • Maybe, but the karaoke music doesn't have the same selection. I've hit a couple of bars here in Longview but the clientele is even younger. Most people at the BA are in their 30s and 40s, and I've made a few friends. Not just 'bar' friends, but people I could get together with on a weekend and do things unrelated to bars and drinking. Damnit, now you're giving me second thoughts about my second thoughts. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 28, 2012 at 08:27
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                      I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you meet the right person. Third time is going to be charmed. :)

                    • Charmed? Wasn't that a show about witches? :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 30, 2012 at 09:15
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                      LOL.. True.

                      Have a great time on the camp out this week. And in Cali. Time will fly by. Take care of yourself. I'll talk to you in a few weeks. :)

                    • Well, I don't leave till about 9:00 AM tomorrow, but if I don't hear from you before then (or even if I do), Congratulations, and Best Wishes. Have a fantastic trip, have fun but stay safe. And take some pictures. Talk to you L8r. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 30, 2012 at 09:37
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                      Thank you! I was afraid I'd have a typical Monday (of late) and miss saying good bye.

                      I'm really excited about the trip to Yellowstone. Mostly just having a few weeks off. Can't wait. 4 work days left, and counting.

                    • Yeah, I'd kinda like to see someplace new, also. This week will be fun, and I'm really looking forward to seeing my daughter again, it's been over a year since I've seen her in person. Over a year for my friends in eastern Washington, too.

                      I think the first summer vacation I take after going back to work will be to pick up my daughter, and take her with me and my significant other (hopefully) to Alaska. I'll have to keep an eye out for a hot, smart, single woman with a great personality who drives a Range Rover. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted July 30, 2012 at 21:11
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                      LOL! Way to pinpoint your search criteria. Seriously though, I hope that for you, too.

                      I'm sure you're all packed (checked twice) and ready to go. I wish you a fun, safe and fruitful journey. I'll check in if I can capture a connection somewhere.

                      Bye for now. ^_^

                    • Good Morning. If you get a chance this week, maybe you could clear TED of any spam? If not, no biggie.

                      Thanks, and I wish you the same on your journey. Once again, Congratulations! :)

                      I woulda sent ya a present
                      for your big day,
                      But you’ll have to settle
                      for a cyber bouquet.

                      Alright, time to

                      …or more like drive by day. See ya……..

                    • Home again. Funny, no matter how much fun you have on vacation, it's still nice to be back home. Hope you're having a great time. Talk to you soon, I hope. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 16, 2012 at 18:17
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                      Hi! Hope you had a great time. I know what you mean, I dreaded coming home even in the last few miles… But, as soon as I walked in the door, it felt good to be home. I had a wonderful time.

                      Did you get to see your daughter?

                    • Well hello. Glad you had a wonderful time and that you made it back safe and sound.

                      Yeah, I saw my daughter. Spent the better part of six days with her. :) Can you access facebook without an account yourself?

                      If not, let me know and I'll post the pics (they're about halfway down the page) here on a new thread.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 16, 2012 at 19:00
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                      Yea, glad you did. I can't access FB. Not without causing a reactivation. lol.

                      I like your new avi pic. Nice gun(s) ;)

                      Where did you post the pics?

                    • I posted them on Facebook, but will put them on a new thread here. So, how was Yellowstone (answer on the new thread)?

        • well, I've been mulling something along these lines:
          * (the perversion of) capitalism
          * the difficulty of discussing capitalism without being labeled as a communist, or to be fair, a fascist.
          … or something along these lines.
          what do you think? I've been mulling this for a while and open to suggestion.

          • I'd go with the perversion of capitalism first. If you start out on a new site, it would be better to have samples of the name calling first before commenting on it. Fascism is itself one form of perverted capitalism. Maybe start there and give some examples of how you think our system is creeping (or sprinting) toward fascism, and what can be done to fix it.

  4. Those are great pictures! looks like you had a great time. Its been a while since I have been down the Gorge.. We have actually been talking about visiting the Hot Springs around Carson for a weekend getaway.

  5. Here she is with her (belated) graduation present I got her, and her duck dogs, Remington and Kimber (is she a daddy's girl, or what?)….
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    And here's a better picture of her, without trying to get the dogs to hold still….
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  6. Here she is firing her 870 ….
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    … and dad's Mini 14 …..
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    She fell in love with the Mini, and wants one, so I told her I'd give it to her if she does well in college this year. I have confidence in her, so I already bought a Sig Saurer M400 AR 15 for myself to replace the Mini. Am I a pig, or what? :)

    Now that I've pissed off the lefties, I piss off the righties and tell I treated us both to new piercings. I got a cuff on my left ear, and she got one of those things that go in through the middle of your ear, and out the top, on her right ear. They call it an 'industrial.' I know it hurt, but it's what she wanted, and she's a trooper.

    • Very cool! Yes indeed, she is a Daddy's girl, for sure. Great incentive for her to do well in school, too. :):)

      I found Yellowstone to be fascinating. I'm glad I waited until I was an adult to go. I really don't think I would have appreciated it for what it is, as a kid. The sounds of the caldrons bubbling and boiling. The bacteria mats and springs. The geysers… loved it all. And Montana. Loved it, too. Talk about a gun friendly state, that doesn't feel the need to over regulate the people… hmm, loving Montana.

      • Yeah, I like Montana too, and have another story or two, but am a bit too lit to tell 'em now. The only thing Montana lacks is an ocean beach. Glad to hear you liked Yellowstone, I hope to visit it myself someday soon. Any pics you care to share? You can always send them via e-mail if you don't want them posted publicly. And if your pics are too personal, I understand. I'll tell you someday about bridges I've inadvertently burned, but I wouldn't have burned them if the situation had been reversed. Some people are just too needy.

        • Too lit to tell stories? You're no fun.

          I'm trying to organize my pics, but I will eventually get them posted or emailed. Been really busy since I got home.

          • No fun? Now that hurts. I'm being a bit of a cad on ConVic 2012. Heheheh

            Hope I'm not being a distraction, but I know I'm not, so you're not that busy. Right? ;)

            • I am, but I miss my friends, so I'm juggling both. Still at work. Getting ready to head home in a few. I get the story out of you tomorrow, though. :p

              • ;) I have a really nasty comeback for that, but I'll mind my Ps and Qs. Damn, that hurts my head to even type that. :D

                • Morning Sleepy Head!

                  • Sleepy Head? That's not the half of it. An 18 pack of Bud, a couple of shots of cheap bourbon, and more than a few gulps of some brand of vodka my buddy's girlfriend was passing around. It tasted just like white cake with vanilla frosting. No hangover, it was just that I was still pretty loaded at 8:00 this morning. Yeesh. Good thing I'm going to the BA tonight, so I won't be drinking very much. How's that for ironic? Ok, chores to do, so I'll talk to ya later. Have a Fantastic Friday. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 17, 2012 at 17:54
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                      Nice, sounds like quite the party. Okay, have fun at BA, tonight. Talk to you soon.

                    • Oh yeah, had fun. Not that kinda fun, but fun just the same. Came home to a stag party of some of my 20 something guy friends, which is always a trip. They just don't get it when it comes to women, but they'll figure it out. :)

                      They listen to rap music, and I think it's because that's what the 20 something girls they hang with listen to. Pussy whipped. I told them this is the way it is …. …. Think they'll listen?

                      Ok, quarter after 4 and the alcohol is gone. Bed time. Talk to ya later.

                    • Good Morning. Off to school. Have a Great Day. Talk to ya later. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 20, 2012 at 09:47
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                      Good Morning. Should say afternoon by the time you get this.

                      You never told me ow the camp out in Astoria was.

                    • Good Afternoon. This semester is going to be a bit of a bear. About a dozen books to read, and about the same number of papers due, one of them 20 to 30 pages. Hoo boy.

                      The camp was great, but I feel like a bit of a bad influence on the younger people. Every night I was the last one to go to bed, and most mornings I was the first one up, and did my pushups and calisthenics before breakfast. All after much drinking, mostly bourbon. I wasn't planning on doing much drinking, and then only beer, until the last night, but one of the young guys cracked open a bottle on night number one, and the party was on. We got plenty of work done, and had a few reporters stop by for stories. Here's an article that was in the Astoria paper ….… ….

                      The hawk's bell came from the unit I was digging with Kate, the girl in the picture. Now it's your turn. I'm still waiting for some pics of your trip. No hurry, take your time, but I'm not going to forget, and will be reminding you every few days. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 21, 2012 at 18:11
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                      That was a good article. Cool that you guys started finding stuff after the first layer, considering Astorias history. So, overall how was the class? Did you get as much from it as you'd hoped?

                      I'm not surprised that you were up before the youngsters. What do 20 somethings require a night, now days? 12, 13 hours?

                      I'm working doubles right now. No time for anything else. My list is piling up. Sucks!

                    • Good Morning. Yeah I figured you were pretty busy, seeing as how swamped you were after taking just two days off last month, I can imagine how things are after two weeks off. I can empathize. I've put off the two toughest required classes for a history degree, and I've got the first one this semester, along with two other fairly tough classes. Two classes, thank goodness, don't require too much homework, or even the small bit of time I can spare online would be gone. I hope to get ahead this week in at least one of the harder classes so I can do a few more hikes before the serious rains hit.

                      Besides the six credits? Yeah, I learned some history that I hadn't known, quite a few archeological techniques, had a lot of fun, plus met some really terrific, intelligent, and hard working people. One was from WSU. I saw her Monday, and we're planning on a dinner/lunch/coffee date in the near future. A few others have stated interest in getting together for a reunion soon. I guess it depends on how everyone's schedules shake out.

                      I don't remember ever sleeping more than 5-7 hours, except following periods of staying awake for longer than I should have. I guess texting is taxing. Ha ha. But, surprise, surprise, the people in that class did very little texting, or even talking on their cell phones. None of them used their phones very often, and then it was usually to get directions, or other on line information. I guess there's hope for mankind after all.

                      Alright, time to get ready. Hope you have a Splendid Day, and don't have to work too hard. Talk to ya soon. :)

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 23, 2012 at 21:53
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                      Oh yeah, I forgot that class was worth six credits. And, you had a good time earning them.

                      A dinner/lunch/coffee date? That's sounds good. Hope it goes well. Keep me updated. =)

                      I'm pretty much caught up at work. It just never feels like it because someone is always on vacation. Had someone this week. The DOS goes next week, so I have to switch back to days to cover her…it just never ends in a 24/7 business.

                      I quit smoking cigarettes. It's been almost three weeks. Twas so easy I'm angry.

                    • Yeah, the only 24/7 business I've been in was the Army. We were put on alert (something we did in Berlin two or three times a year) on one of my nights off. I don't think the officers were too impressed with my drunk weapon drills. Fortunately, no one was hit on the head with a twirling M-16. Of course, we did have helmets on.

                      Good for you. I quit for four years, and only started again because a cig tastes so good when I've been drinking, and I thought it was pretty easy to quit, too. Guess I need a little more self control when I drink, but then what's the point? :)

                      Alright, have a Great Day, and we'll talk later. I've been reading like mad, trying to get a head start, so maybe I'll have more free time in the next couple of weeks.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 24, 2012 at 17:06
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                      Seriously? You started drinking more, and now you're smoking again? Shame on you D. You need to stop it.

                      LOLOL… okay, I just had to try out the former smoker, reduced partier, holier than tho, thing….

                    • Yes, Mother. :)

                      I think over three years of being locked in the house with a book gives me a little 'vice enjoyment time' in the bank. All work and no play made di_da a dull boy. That being said, it's time to cut back some. The last thing I need is to revert back to my 20s. I survived the first time, no sense in pressing my luck. At the bar I'll step outside for a sunflower seed break from now on, and the whiskey drinking camp outs will be limited to one or two nights instead the four (very enjoyable) nights, like in Astoria.

                      Alright, I have an online test to take this afternoon, so I'd better do some studying. I'll talk to you this evening or tomorrow, if you're online, and Monday (or whenever) if not. Have a Great Weekend.

                    • Good Morning. Long time, no type. Hope everything is going well for you and yours. Talk to ya L8r.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 28, 2012 at 22:07
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                      Damn, It has been a long stretch of radio silence. All is well with me, hopefully for you as, too.

                      Had a mild bug for a few days. Long (weird) work hours. Just finished school shopping for my grandson, and crap, it's already 10pm. Just not enough hours in the day.

                      Looking forward to a beach trip with badcat and her man, this weekend. And Rod Run the following. Think I'll call it a summer after that.

                      How about you? Any plans for the weekend?

                    • Good Morning. :)

                      Sorry to hear about your bug, but it sounds like you should have good weather for the weekend. The week in Astoria was pretty much all sunshine, hope you have the same.

                      Nope, no plans, but we'll see what happens between now and Friday. Things could change.

                      Alright, time to get ready. Have a Great Day and we'll talk soon.

                      • Lips
                      • Posted August 31, 2012 at 19:36
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                      Well, it's Friday, anything happen? ;)

                      Can't wait to get this weekend rolling. Guess I didn't really have a bug, as it happened again. Super sick, like the flu, couldn't even go to work yesterday. Why? Chantix detox. WTH! After all of the street drugs I've done, who would think I'd detox off of Chantix. Oh well, I'm smoke free, and even if the side effects are a little more intense than I thought, so is lung cancer.

                    • Nope, nothing other than a bunch of reading and research. But I'm patient.

                      Sorry you weren't feeling well, but the long weekend is finally here, and I'm sure you're having a Wonderful time. I have another online quiz this afternoon, an article review due by Friday dealing with the challenges faced by ordinary soldiers on both sides during the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-1940, and a five page paper due the week after about the cultural setting of pre World War I Vienna, so I'd better get back to the books.

                      One interesting item I've learned is just how much the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' have been altered over the decades. Yesteryear's liberals (free trade, self rule) are today's conservatives, and the old conservatives (regulation, and rule by the status quo aristocracy, which is now career politicians from both parties), call themselves liberals. During winter break I'll have to write up some thought provoking articles. Coggy will have some 'splainin' to do.

                      Enjoy the coast, and I'll talk to you later. :)

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